This thread again.

Awesome.

Ugh. But it's so tedious making the same simple data-supported points over and over and oh look, thread #12,053 just got posted by some genius who thinks his ideas are so amazingly original that he couldn't possibly put them into the existing thread on page 3, so let's do it over one more time.

I know that persistence is an essential component of advocating change, but really there comes a point where it does more harm than good. Is anyone going to change their mind because of this thread? Will a single remotely new or original argument be made? Will any new information that wasn't in the 12,052 other threads on this very topic come to light?

"CCP" is a slippery concept here. There are hundreds of people who work for CCP. Some of them most definitely see it as an issue.

Hopefully you will include those that don't in this conversation, or it will turn into a 0.0 mothers meeting...

The bad part is you probably can;t give us more details than that. Like how big is that "some". If high-sec income was truly seen as a problem, it would of been tackled by a temporary fix until they find a more elegant solution. Right now, nothing is done and to me, that means there is nothing to cahnge because it's how it seems it should be.

The issue here is that the half that want to change it are mainly in 0.0 and seem to want to do it to force those in hisec into 0.0. Those in hisec don't want to go to 0.0 and cannot see why their ISK levels should be nerfed to force them to do something they won't do and ruins their enjoyment by making it harder to gain shiny stuff.

If there is indeed a gridlock, then debating it until the cows come home is not gonna change anything anyway and I can tell you the cows are very far from home. Both side dismiss the argument of the other because they see the game as needing to be played "thier" way. "We should not ahve to go to nigh sec to be efficient at makign ISK" and "We should not have to go to low/null to be efficient at amking ISK" is pretty much the same thing in the end and it's what most of those stupid thread end up in anyway.

If CCP is stuck in a gridlock like the forum is, you will have to live with the current way it is.

First of all I reject the simplistic risk/reward view that many of you have, its more like risk/reward/fun, for the average player running anoms is a lot better than running level 4's. And there is risk, you can get your mission ship ganked, or trigger the wrong ship and bang too much DPS and lots of webs and points.

In terms of the officer fit Vindicators that is a silly example, because who except for a few very can afford to fly something like that where you are likely to lose a ship, of course they won't take those into low sec or null, though I have in my time seen quite a few shiny ships in null.

And just because people have a mission alt which they run while waiting for PvP perhaps sitting on a Titan proves nothing, many people do that as they just warp out of the mission when it looks like they are going to get a fight. And because they are focussed on the PvP potential they cannot run a character doing anoms in 0.0. It makes sense and therefore proves nothing, just that its lower risk.